Comments on: Microsoft Lies to Their Customers – Again

By: This is how Microsoft will dominate the Virtualization market in the Middle-east.| Virtualization .. and every thing around it| HyperViZor

Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:56:51 +0000

[...] competition and will soon get it to dominate the virtualization market across the ME. I remember an article posted by MikeD sometime back regarding Microsoft lying to their customers for some licensing aspects, and [...]

By: SRP

SRP — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:41:33 +0000

The one I love from Microsoft is that Hyper-V is FREE. Really? Don't I need Windows Server 2008 to run the Hyper-V application? If I have an ELA I'm OK, but that still is not FREE. I can download the Hyper-V application for FREE, but need to 'purchase' Windows Server 2008 in order to run it. So I looked online to 'purchase' Windows Server 2008 and this what I found...

Microsoft also released the pricing list for the server: Windows Server 2008 Standard, $999 (with five Client Access Licenses, or CALs); Standard without Hyper-V, $971 (with five CALs); Enterprise, $3,999 (with 25 CALs); Enterprise without Hyper-V, $3,971 (with 25 CALs); Datacenter, $2,999 (per processor); Datacenter without Hyper-V, $2,971 (per processor); Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-based Systems, $2,999 (per processor); and Windows Web Server 2008, $469.

This may be somewhat dated because I don't make it a habit to keep up with Microsoft, but the point here is the 'without Hyper-V'. Why is there a difference in price? If Hyper-V is FREE why is there a 'with' @ $999 and a 'without' @ $971? FREE is FREE right? Does ESXi cost me anything? Is there anything I need to 'purchase' in order to run ESXi? No and no - a great example of FREE!
It appears Microsoft is attempting to change the definition of the word 'FREE'...

By: Mike DiPetrillo

Mike DiPetrillo — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:03:17 +0000

Yeah, no sales teams are perfect. Just pointing it out since it's so wide spread. Sorry you got beat up by our sales team. Actually, not really sorry – that's competition. You can see from other comments below that it happens all over.

By: smj

smj — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:09:13 +0000

It's funny you're taking such a high road here for VMWare. When I worked at Connectix there was a lot of VMWare sales staff lying to customers about Virtual PC and it's imagined limitations, like there is no standard networking capabilities and that's why VPC needed the VM additions Shared Networking feature to communicate with the host.
There were plenty of others from your sales team too, but you get my point.
VMWare isn't some saintly company with perfect sales staff.

By: Windows 7 virtualization licensing change rumored | VM /ETC

Windows 7 virtualization licensing change rumored | VM /ETC — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:46:46 +0000

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By: James O'Neill's blog : Lies,Damn lies and licence interpretations.

James O'Neill's blog : Lies,Damn lies and licence interpretations. — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:15:51 +0000

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By: Vikash Kumar Roy

Vikash Kumar Roy — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:41:19 +0000

My job is more of consulting which provide me opportunity to interact with many clients. When it comes for recommendation for server consolidation I only name VMWare. Then the next Q I get is why only VMWare?” I eat/sleep/drink VMWare, it is like a religion to me. I have seen enough discussion and know business model of MS. No matter how good you are in marketing but fundamental for any company matters. I do not consider myself as Geek but have seen many version of VMWare which gives me enough reason to believe that VMWare is a awesome technologies and if you need to compete with such technologies you need to get matured in that technologies. Just lunching product does not guaranty your maturity.” Having said all this I am not a blind follower of VMware.

By: Even G

Even G — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:01:58 +0000

I have seen this in person as well (here in Norway), so it is definitely not just a bad apple salesperson in the big apple

However, this goes to the general bucket of “don't ask a encyclopedia-salesman whether you need an encyclopedia”. Don't ask Microsoft about whether you should choose their virtualization-engine over that of the competition; research and decide for yourself using several inputs.

Kind regards,
Even G

By: VirtualPro » Microsoft Licensing on Virtual platforms

VirtualPro » Microsoft Licensing on Virtual platforms — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:10:48 +0000

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By: Microsoft’s virtuele licenties opnieuw onderwerp van discussie « EarlyBert

Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:32:43 +0000

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